One day you might explain the actual consequences to the nation of a shutdown. Apart from not getting into national parks (with some shutdowns) and a slowdown of some government functions, I don't see that it's a big deal, having lived through a whole bunch of them. Yeah, federal employees don't get paid on time, but there's always enough warning that it could happen that they should be able to save and weather the slowdown, and they always get paid eventually. Permit issuance is delayed, presumably, which would have consequences for business. Social security and other benefits are still disbursed. But I admit that, from where I sit, the real harms might not be obvious, which is why I would appreciate an analysis.
Why would it be irreversible? Do think a fired person, in a state of appealing legality of the firing, not receiving a paycheck is put into a position to find a different job though.
Thanks, Gabe. I’m struggling to consider what the point of Congress even is at this point. Do any of them truly care about US citizens? I’m normally more optimistic, but I’m not sure anymore.
Your radical clarity in explaining the arcane rules about what is and is not legal in Senate vs Executive, House vs Executive and House vs Senate bargaining is really welcome. And makes a rumble in the jungle make a whole lot more sense.Your explanation suggests to me that the cost of a shutdown may be less the interruption of service than the emotional reaction and blaming unleashed against the Democrats. This all high stakes. Theoretically a CR could leave time to reinstate health care subsidies and partially mitigate
the hardships imposed on laid off public servants. To me, the danger of a government shutdown is that while the lights are out and no one is there watching, we don't know what the OMB and it's thugs are up to. PS while the entire field command of the US military is transported and locked in a room at a Marine base...oops the furnace blew up or a rogue drone accidently. This is a B movie disaster in the making...it could be real.
One day you might explain the actual consequences to the nation of a shutdown. Apart from not getting into national parks (with some shutdowns) and a slowdown of some government functions, I don't see that it's a big deal, having lived through a whole bunch of them. Yeah, federal employees don't get paid on time, but there's always enough warning that it could happen that they should be able to save and weather the slowdown, and they always get paid eventually. Permit issuance is delayed, presumably, which would have consequences for business. Social security and other benefits are still disbursed. But I admit that, from where I sit, the real harms might not be obvious, which is why I would appreciate an analysis.
Well, I think mass irreversible firing of Federal workers just might cause actual consequences, as Trump has threatened.
Why would it be irreversible? Do think a fired person, in a state of appealing legality of the firing, not receiving a paycheck is put into a position to find a different job though.
I don't understand why you keep making comparisons to past outcomes when the current situation is anything but normal!
Well, he cautions that history may not count for much today.
Plus: context is always good to know.
Thanks, Gabe. I’m struggling to consider what the point of Congress even is at this point. Do any of them truly care about US citizens? I’m normally more optimistic, but I’m not sure anymore.
Your radical clarity in explaining the arcane rules about what is and is not legal in Senate vs Executive, House vs Executive and House vs Senate bargaining is really welcome. And makes a rumble in the jungle make a whole lot more sense.Your explanation suggests to me that the cost of a shutdown may be less the interruption of service than the emotional reaction and blaming unleashed against the Democrats. This all high stakes. Theoretically a CR could leave time to reinstate health care subsidies and partially mitigate
the hardships imposed on laid off public servants. To me, the danger of a government shutdown is that while the lights are out and no one is there watching, we don't know what the OMB and it's thugs are up to. PS while the entire field command of the US military is transported and locked in a room at a Marine base...oops the furnace blew up or a rogue drone accidently. This is a B movie disaster in the making...it could be real.