Seriously. I wouldn't use emojis in a text thread in my job as an accountant. The idea that the people who run our country respond with a bicep emoji to having murdered 50+ people makes me feel crazy.
It is another incident where I just shake my head and sigh. It will make no difference to his followers as to how bad this is. They will call it fake news, and blindly follow and never criticize him or his picks.
Unfortunately, for those of us who do retain some common sense, this will be the craziest news story that half of Americans will a) never know about and b) rationalize it if they do. When is everyone going to wake up? (Sorry, forgot that saying “wake” and “woke” is like swearing now)
Inept president, inept cabinet and yet the moronic journalists at Fox News and all the blatantly ignorant folks who voted for him continue to defend Trump without any sense of shame. He is ruining our country.
After reading this I got the impression I was reading a chat thread from a bunch of teenagers. The people involved here are leading our country? Yikes! I’m convinced we will continue to see mistakes from this inept bunch.
Thank you, Gabe. This says it all: “Like other stories in the past 10 years, this one exists at the intersection of absurd and alarming.” I can’t understand how we got to this sub-basement level of governance and why we are still barreling forward (backward?) day and after day with the whole mess.
You've got to be kidding, right? Most of this is nonsense garbage. But after this is looked into, someone should probably be fired. But please don't tell us about incompetency or weirdness. Your list is too fucking long. From Hillary Clinton to Joe Biden's garage when he wasn't even a president (he can't be prosecuted because he's too senile, but he CAN be president). And let's not get into Creepy Joe wandering around the globe with people guiding him out of the bushes. Did you complain then? This was a mistake and it should never happen again, maybe somebody should be fired, but there is no way Trump compares to the incompetency of Joe Biden and other Democrats, and them letting millions of illegals into our country on purpose.
I think one of the best ways we can start moving forward as a country is to stop comparing and contrasting each president with someone we don't like. It'll be tough - I know because I do it, too. But I think we start to heal when we can simply say - this is bad and wrong and something should be done - without having to justify ourselves by bringing past presidencies into it. This was bad and wrong and something should be done about it.
I can feel the thumb on that scale. Biden never courted exposure like this. You say that he and Hillary Clinton should have taken more consequences for their uses of private devices and storage rooms, but unlike Trump, when the investigators called, they cooperated.
How badly does this administration have to screw up before you admit that this fiasco was not only disastrous but also predictable? How many times does it have to happen before you admit that Trump was a terrible candidate and is a terrible public official?
Joe Biden‘s were with the rest of his boxes in the garage, boxes that he probably didn’t even pack. It is apparently quite crazy when they pack up the office for the last time, but at least he didn’t blame it on someone else he took responsibility for it. Biden’s people followed the rules and were the ones that told the archive folks that they had it.
Contrast to Trump, who literally took them on purpose because he thought they were his and then left them laying around the bathroom in Mar-a-Lago among other places. Then when he told he needed to return them, he refused. After being asked several times to return them and no action, They went and got them and even then he had some of them deliberately hidden. how can you even compare that to what Biden did? get your head out of the sand, the guy is a nut job and completely incapable of doing the job. Especially when you consider his cabinet.
Maybe you should know more about the law. The vice president does not have a right to even HAVE those classified documents outside of a room at the capitol. Trump does. Don't be ridiculous. Listen to some other media. That whole witch hunt is partisan and everybody who behaved like that should be removed and it shouldn't be tolerated in either direction. Trump's cabinet will prove to be dynamic and change things for the better if you care about waste and corruption and bloated government. Which Democrats don't because they implant bureaucracy that expands, "unelected officials" who are actually trying to control the elected president of the US. Or district judges who even Kagan said should not be holding up a president like that. Check it out.
This is me, playing a case of Devil's Advocate, that the Houthi War Council was genuine and not an accident.
Whoever set up the meeting, such as it was, knew who the individual players were. So, why include Jeffrey Goldberg? First, he is the editor of the Atlantic Magazine, second he has a long track record, and is known for being both observant, verification, and thinking things over, before providing such a piece before the American Public.
What has the public learned? Namely, that a group of people, in charge of our defense and security, will voice their minds and opinions, before deciding something. Have a set plan, and show that the U.S. expects something for it, as well as an ability to deliver it.
Outside of being made, at least in part, available, it is a wonderful PR exercise for those who support Trump. It was most definitely not a mistake. It was intentional, with the given source well chosen.
Could I be wrong? Sure! It just fits to easily into the kind of story Trump would want the American Public to both see and hear. The guy is a showman, what better vehicle for how well is chain of command works, than a live example, where nothing outside of the Houthi attack is mentioned. Anything more important is just off topic.
Later revelations may prove that wrong, but wouldn't bet on it.
Well I for one learned that our security, intelligence, and defense officials are conducting work over Signal even though a "2023 Defense Department memo prohibited use of mobile applications for even 'controlled unclassified information'" and even after the NSA issued a warning just last month that "a vulnerability has been identified in the Signal Messenger Application. The use of Signal by common targets of surveillance and espionage activity has made the application a high value target to intercept sensitive information."
Do you think it’s possible that someone added the journalist as a mechanism to expose what was going on - ala an anonymous leak? If so, who might that have been?
The Signal records show that it was Mike Waltz who added him. If Security Advisor Waltz had this Signal chat on his personal phone, then either he added the journalist himself (bad) or an aid had access to both his personal phone and this Signal chat (very bad) and that aid added the journalist to a Signal chat on the Security Advisor's personal phone (very, very bad).
Thanks Emily! Why would the aide have had to have access to Waltz’s personal phone? I’m not familiar with Signal. Could they log in to his account via Desktop?
Yes, and Goldberg opened his big fat mouth immediately even though he knew he shouldn't!!
He knew he wasn't meant to be privy to that information but wanted to make a name for himself. What a pompous ahhhhssss who would sell out his fellow man and the US for a story. Remember all the leaks during the Biden so-called presidency? Why weren't those leakers prosecuted??!!
If I were their boss, I would fire them immediately for using emojis when you’re killing people, this is not Facebook
Seriously. I wouldn't use emojis in a text thread in my job as an accountant. The idea that the people who run our country respond with a bicep emoji to having murdered 50+ people makes me feel crazy.
So cavalier and yes, disrespectful
It is another incident where I just shake my head and sigh. It will make no difference to his followers as to how bad this is. They will call it fake news, and blindly follow and never criticize him or his picks.
Unfortunately, for those of us who do retain some common sense, this will be the craziest news story that half of Americans will a) never know about and b) rationalize it if they do. When is everyone going to wake up? (Sorry, forgot that saying “wake” and “woke” is like swearing now)
Loved your bi-line - I appreciate the laugh! Thanks for the hard work you do.
Inept president, inept cabinet and yet the moronic journalists at Fox News and all the blatantly ignorant folks who voted for him continue to defend Trump without any sense of shame. He is ruining our country.
The Trump administration represents the EXACT definition of a kakistocracy. And, these are the people who are obsessed with merit-based employment?
So much great information here. Thank you for corralling it all, Gabe. It really is almost unbelievable.
After reading this I got the impression I was reading a chat thread from a bunch of teenagers. The people involved here are leading our country? Yikes! I’m convinced we will continue to see mistakes from this inept bunch.
Thank you for such good information. You are the BEST at laying out the facts. I just know you are going places!!
Thank you, Gabe. This says it all: “Like other stories in the past 10 years, this one exists at the intersection of absurd and alarming.” I can’t understand how we got to this sub-basement level of governance and why we are still barreling forward (backward?) day and after day with the whole mess.
And, P.S. Great byline! (“Team Trump: feel free to add me to your group chat.”) Wow, the reporting you could do!
National policy reduced to snap-chat like retention and emojis...
You've got to be kidding, right? Most of this is nonsense garbage. But after this is looked into, someone should probably be fired. But please don't tell us about incompetency or weirdness. Your list is too fucking long. From Hillary Clinton to Joe Biden's garage when he wasn't even a president (he can't be prosecuted because he's too senile, but he CAN be president). And let's not get into Creepy Joe wandering around the globe with people guiding him out of the bushes. Did you complain then? This was a mistake and it should never happen again, maybe somebody should be fired, but there is no way Trump compares to the incompetency of Joe Biden and other Democrats, and them letting millions of illegals into our country on purpose.
I think one of the best ways we can start moving forward as a country is to stop comparing and contrasting each president with someone we don't like. It'll be tough - I know because I do it, too. But I think we start to heal when we can simply say - this is bad and wrong and something should be done - without having to justify ourselves by bringing past presidencies into it. This was bad and wrong and something should be done about it.
This was bad and wrong and something should be done. I'm sure it will be.
I can feel the thumb on that scale. Biden never courted exposure like this. You say that he and Hillary Clinton should have taken more consequences for their uses of private devices and storage rooms, but unlike Trump, when the investigators called, they cooperated.
How badly does this administration have to screw up before you admit that this fiasco was not only disastrous but also predictable? How many times does it have to happen before you admit that Trump was a terrible candidate and is a terrible public official?
Joe Biden‘s were with the rest of his boxes in the garage, boxes that he probably didn’t even pack. It is apparently quite crazy when they pack up the office for the last time, but at least he didn’t blame it on someone else he took responsibility for it. Biden’s people followed the rules and were the ones that told the archive folks that they had it.
Contrast to Trump, who literally took them on purpose because he thought they were his and then left them laying around the bathroom in Mar-a-Lago among other places. Then when he told he needed to return them, he refused. After being asked several times to return them and no action, They went and got them and even then he had some of them deliberately hidden. how can you even compare that to what Biden did? get your head out of the sand, the guy is a nut job and completely incapable of doing the job. Especially when you consider his cabinet.
Maybe you should know more about the law. The vice president does not have a right to even HAVE those classified documents outside of a room at the capitol. Trump does. Don't be ridiculous. Listen to some other media. That whole witch hunt is partisan and everybody who behaved like that should be removed and it shouldn't be tolerated in either direction. Trump's cabinet will prove to be dynamic and change things for the better if you care about waste and corruption and bloated government. Which Democrats don't because they implant bureaucracy that expands, "unelected officials" who are actually trying to control the elected president of the US. Or district judges who even Kagan said should not be holding up a president like that. Check it out.
Oh, go blow yourself. I’m tired of you. You’re wrong. You won’t listen to reason just
Rubbish!
Right wingers are lying scum.
My point exactly…
Right wingers are dishonest slime.
This is me, playing a case of Devil's Advocate, that the Houthi War Council was genuine and not an accident.
Whoever set up the meeting, such as it was, knew who the individual players were. So, why include Jeffrey Goldberg? First, he is the editor of the Atlantic Magazine, second he has a long track record, and is known for being both observant, verification, and thinking things over, before providing such a piece before the American Public.
What has the public learned? Namely, that a group of people, in charge of our defense and security, will voice their minds and opinions, before deciding something. Have a set plan, and show that the U.S. expects something for it, as well as an ability to deliver it.
Outside of being made, at least in part, available, it is a wonderful PR exercise for those who support Trump. It was most definitely not a mistake. It was intentional, with the given source well chosen.
Could I be wrong? Sure! It just fits to easily into the kind of story Trump would want the American Public to both see and hear. The guy is a showman, what better vehicle for how well is chain of command works, than a live example, where nothing outside of the Houthi attack is mentioned. Anything more important is just off topic.
Later revelations may prove that wrong, but wouldn't bet on it.
Well I for one learned that our security, intelligence, and defense officials are conducting work over Signal even though a "2023 Defense Department memo prohibited use of mobile applications for even 'controlled unclassified information'" and even after the NSA issued a warning just last month that "a vulnerability has been identified in the Signal Messenger Application. The use of Signal by common targets of surveillance and espionage activity has made the application a high value target to intercept sensitive information."
So, that seems important to know.
Thank you for the in depth knowledge, that is way beyond by purview. Maybe they’ll listen next time, or in the future, if next time blows up again.
Wrong and utterly clueless.
Those involved in the Signal Chat are clowns. DJT is the Ringmaster-in-Chief.
Do you think it’s possible that someone added the journalist as a mechanism to expose what was going on - ala an anonymous leak? If so, who might that have been?
The Signal records show that it was Mike Waltz who added him. If Security Advisor Waltz had this Signal chat on his personal phone, then either he added the journalist himself (bad) or an aid had access to both his personal phone and this Signal chat (very bad) and that aid added the journalist to a Signal chat on the Security Advisor's personal phone (very, very bad).
Thanks Emily! Why would the aide have had to have access to Waltz’s personal phone? I’m not familiar with Signal. Could they log in to his account via Desktop?
Yes, and Goldberg opened his big fat mouth immediately even though he knew he shouldn't!!
He knew he wasn't meant to be privy to that information but wanted to make a name for himself. What a pompous ahhhhssss who would sell out his fellow man and the US for a story. Remember all the leaks during the Biden so-called presidency? Why weren't those leakers prosecuted??!!
What a vile piece of right wing garbage.