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Barbara Fox's avatar

I always found either/or thinking an obstacle to clear, rational thinking…..but I am in that camp now…..You either find Trump and his cronies like Vance, Biondi, Johnson and Hegseth thugs and scoundrels or you don’t.

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Michael Bower's avatar

I'm with you. Sad but true. Seeking out rationals to justify "scoundrelism" feels like the rational way to see complex issues...but, How long a list of immoral, unkind, devious, deranged acts does one need before seeing your point?

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Michael Bower's avatar

Replying to myself...to start a list...just for Trump (and then there are the cast of characters that hold other seats of power in our government):

$400+M fraud judgement

$93 M in sexual abuse judgements

$2M fake charity Judgement

1 fake charity shutdown

1 fake university shutdown

2 impeachment

5 draft deferments

6 bankruptcies

26 sexual assault allegations

91 liminal charges

34 felony convictions

97 times pleading the 5th

64 mentions in the Epstein Report...

(of course we are living with an inability to even know what a "fact" is but these numbers do appear to check out)

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SevenDeadlies's avatar

Unironically I think trump ramming through a short term partisan version of healthcare subsidies is the most divisive thing he could do towards dems (bait them to divide on taking a win).

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Dr. Lily K.'s avatar

Medical subsidies do not save lives, but create rifts - political division is the purpose.

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DocOnTheRange's avatar

Well dang, looks like the trick used to pay the military was illegal. Not that I expect someone to challenge it in court 🤷‍♂️

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Dr. Lily K.'s avatar

Clearly illegal, yet no one dares to go to court – politics is sometimes more hardcore than the law.

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DocOnTheRange's avatar

Yeah, I thought the same thing when Biden used the Defense Production Act to build ventilators

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Dr. Lily K.'s avatar

Alas, that's the reality - sometimes the executive branch is more powerful than the law itself.

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DocOnTheRange's avatar

Yes, like Worcester vs Georgia (1832) with Andrew Jackson and the Cherokees

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Rosemary Ford's avatar

I can’t really follow this. I experienced both RIFS and furloughs in MA long ago. I think it is a mistake to guarantee back pay to furloughed employees up front since it reduces what should be a legitimate push back from citizens who depend on government services. The whole concept of “essential” employees is flawed because, as we see, it can mean anything to anyone. (How many government employees does it take to screw in a light bulb?) Some government employees live paycheck to paycheck and suffer the stress of juggling payments. Higher paid employees get a paid vacation (although they have a catch-up scramble when they return.) RIFs ideally should be done with consideration of the job that needs to be done. In my experience they were governed as much by seniority (as compared with competence) and favoritism (of many types, some illegal, such as romantic connection.) IS this any way to run a railroad? Both Republicans and Democrats know that Obamacare needs radical reform and has for years. Why hold out for another costly band aid when the deficit is glowing red.

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susanus's avatar

Because there is no real alternative on the table?

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Neal Wilson's avatar

I'm curious if they've put forward a legal basis yet for them saying that they can "move money around" or "prioritize payments" to pay military. That type of language usually applies during a debt limit, but the issue here isn't a lack of cash, it's a lack of appropriations.

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susanus's avatar

This was always the danger of allowing a shutdown, the administration simply gains more power.

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Finn Frock's avatar

Articles of Impeachment have been filed. Pile on everyone.

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Finn Frock's avatar

We need to scare him. Dem Party, figure it out.

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